1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 I recently heard a pastor say we live in extra-ordinary times, and I agree. Our nation has been through a lot, and we hear bad news every time we turn on the news. Can we find hope for 2022? My guest was Lori Wildenberg who just finished a book on messy hope for depressed or anxious children. She gave a realistic look at overcoming and helping our families do the same. Heart of the Matter Radio Podcast http://clsimmons.com/ <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/21836660/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/content/119667659