{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"Winning the Messy Middle: Home Services Marketing in the AI Era | MarketStorm","description":"Home services marketing has a hidden battleground, and most owners never fund it. It is the messy middle, the 40 to 100 days a homeowner spends circling a project before they ever search your name. Rick Brown and Carole Lawson of MarketStorm have spent years mapping that window, and what happens inside it decides who gets the call. In this episode, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch sit down with Rick, CEO and co-founder of MarketStorm, and Carole, its co-founder and chief data officer and a Harvard-trained data scientist, to break down how buyer behavior changed after the pandemic and why the last click is no longer the whole story. You will hear why a competitor can outrank you on your own brand name, the 50\/50 split Google now recommends between upper and lower funnel, and how one plumbing company chased last-click reporting from 10 million back down to 2. This episode is brought to you by UpFrog. They turn paid ad spend into booked, sold system replacements instead of wasted leads. Learn more at upfrog.com. CHAPTERS 0:00 \u2013 The Hidden Battleground in Home Services Marketing 2:32 \u2013 Meet Rick Brown and Carole Lawson of MarketStorm 4:47 \u2013 What MarketStorm Does: Catching Buyer Intent Early 6:25 \u2013 The Messy Middle and How Buyer Behavior Changed 8:23 \u2013 Why a Competitor Can Outrank You on Your Own Name 11:50 \u2013 The Death of Legacy Customer Loyalty 13:47 \u2013 The 50\/50 Split Between Upper and Lower Funnel 15:12 \u2013 Where 83 Percent of Online Attention Actually Lives 17:30 \u2013 How a 10 Million Dollar Shop Chased Last Click and Shrank 29:30 \u2013 Why Google Calls Itself a Marketing Company Now 41:30 \u2013 Inside the 45 Day Buyer Journey 58:18 \u2013 Measure What Matters, Not Just What Is Easy WHAT YOU'LL LEARN - Why home services marketing now runs through the messy middle, the 40 to 100 days before a homeowner ever searches your name - How a competitor who shows up more often can outrank you on Google even when someone searches for your exact brand - Why Google now points to a 50\/50 split between upper funnel influence and lower funnel search - Where the other 83 percent of online attention lives, and how programmatic ads reach it across streaming, apps, and the open web - What chasing last-click reporting actually costs, told through a plumbing company that shrank from 10 million back to 2 THIS EPISODE IS BROUGHT TO YOU BY UPFROG System replacement leads from paid ads, nurtured and booked into sold jobs before your team arrives: upfrog.com TRAINUAL Trainual is an AI-powered training and knowledge platform for growing teams. Describe the training you need and it builds the steps, structure, and quiz: https:\/\/trainual.com\/ MARKETSTORM An AI-powered advertising platform. Results vary by market, budget, and campaign configuration: https:\/\/marketstorm.ai\/ CALLRAIL CallRail's Voice Assist is a 24\/7 AI voice assistant that answers every call, handles customer questions, and books jobs directly onto your calendar, all without you ever having to step away from the current job. Try Voice Assist for free today at voiceassist.com BREEZY Capture 25-30% more clients with Breezy AI Agents. Use code 'SBM' to book a demo and get $500 on us: https:\/\/getbreezyapp.com\/schedule-demo?utm_source=partner_servicebusinessmastery&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=servicebusinessmastery_partnership&utm_content=youtube_video PHONETAP Your calls hold the key to growing your business. PhoneTAP gives you instant AI analysis, real customer lifetime value, and tools to coach your team. Learn more: phonetap.ai\/demo COMPANYCAM Capture work, track job progress, and stay connected from the field to the office with photo documentation and AI tools that keep work moving. Start a free trial at https:\/\/companycam.com\/ CONNECT WITH OUR HOSTS AND GUEST Tersh Blissett: https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/tershblissett\/ Josh Crouch: https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/josh-crouch\/ Rick Brown, CEO and Co-Founder of MarketStorm: https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/marketstormrick\/ Carole Lawson, Co-Founder and Chief Data Officer of MarketStorm: https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/caroleslawson\/ MarketStorm: https:\/\/marketstorm.ai\/ ABOUT SERVICE BUSINESS MASTERY Service Business Mastery helps home service owners run better, more profitable companies. Every week, Tersh Blissett and Josh Crouch break down the operations, technology, and leadership behind growing an HVAC, plumbing, or electrical business, with the operators actually doing the work. More at https:\/\/servicebusinessmastery.com\/ Subscribe on YouTube and follow us on Spotify and Apple Podcasts so you never miss an episode. If this one helped, share it with an owner who needs it. #ServiceBusinessMastery #HomeServices #HomeServicesMarketing #DigitalMarketing #MarketStorm","author_name":"Service Business Mastery for Skilled Trades: HVAC, Plumbing & Electrical Home Service","author_url":"https:\/\/www.servicebusinessmastery.com","html":"