{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"2932: Phil Heath Used Less PEDs Than Everyone Thought ; Here Is the Real Story","description":"MAPS BOGO: https:\/\/mapsbogo.com Buy one get one free \u2014 mix and match any of the top 10 most popular programs (Anabolic, Aesthetic, Performance, 15 Minutes, Anywhere, Symmetry, Starter, Muscle Mommy, Powerlift, 40+) for $157. In this episode the guys sit down with seven-time Mr. Olympia Phil Heath for a wide-ranging conversation covering the military, faith, bodybuilding and business. Phil shares stories from years of USO tours \u2014 including a trip to Guantanamo Bay with the Most Interesting Man in the World, drinking the ceremonial grog three times at a Medal of Honor ceremony, and training with Marines on base. He breaks down how being a hyper responder shaped his approach to PEDs (less is more), the problem with influencers recommending a gram of testosterone or 400-500mg of Trenbolone to beginners, why he believes GLP-1s are essentially cheating in competition prep, why he thinks no one in the open division is bringing diet face anymore, how barbell rows and training back twice a week transformed his physique, the mental shift from training angry to training joyful after his faith walk, his four and a half years of depression post-retirement, how he turned down Hollywood roles he felt were degrading, and his anticipation of becoming a father for the first time at 46. The guys also get into bodybuilding prize money history \u2014 from $100K and a Hummer in the early Arnold years to Arnold and the Olympia now bidding against each other toward $750K and beyond. &amp;nbsp; Vita Bella \/ MP Hormones: https:\/\/mphormones.com Book a complimentary 10-minute consultation to find out if Vita Bella is right for you. Consultation: https:\/\/meetings-na2.hubspot.com\/alever\/marketing-membership-consultation Or use code MINDPUMP365 to start your annual membership and receive a free blood panel and gift. &amp;nbsp; GUEST LINKS &amp;nbsp; Phil Heath: https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/philheath Phil's app and coaching: launching soon \u2014 follow @philheath for updates &amp;nbsp; LINKS &amp;nbsp; Mind Pump Store: https:\/\/mindpumpstore.com Maps Fitness Products: https:\/\/mapsfitnessproducts.com Instagram: @mindpumpmedia &amp;nbsp; 0:00 - Intro 1:59 - Phil's USO tours \u2014 Guantanamo Bay, Medal of Honor ceremonies and training with Marines 9:32 - How Phil is training now \u2014 3-4 days a week, eating twice a day and prepping to have a kid 17:23 - Being a hyper responder \u2014 why Phil used less than most people think 23:05 - PED influencers recommending crazy doses to beginners \u2014 why Phil is frustrated 29:54 - The biggest training mistakes Phil sees today \u2014 speed, ego and no mind-muscle connection 40:27 - How barbell rows and training back twice a week transformed Phil's physique 42:34 - Why Phil cut arm training to every other week \u2014 and why it worked 51:44 - GLP-1s in professional bodybuilding \u2014 why Phil thinks over 90% are using them and why it's a problem 55:25 - Why no one has diet face anymore \u2014 inflammation, compounds and shortcuts showing up on stage 1:02:46 - Food poisoning at the 2009 Olympia \u2014 EMTs in his room until 6am the night before the show 1:13:02 - Phil's four and a half years of depression after retiring from bodybuilding 1:20:48 - Hollywood offers, &quot;bucks breaking&quot; and why Phil turned them down 1:24:26 - Transition from training angry to training joyful \u2014 the faith shift that changed everything 1:30:40 - Phil's path to fatherhood at 46 \u2014 what he's thinking and what he wants for his kid 1:47:22 - Bodybuilding prize money history \u2014 from $100K and a Hummer to Arnold vs. Olympia at $750K &amp;nbsp; ","author_name":"Mind Pump: Raw Fitness Truth","author_url":"http:\/\/www.mindpumpmedia.com","html":"<iframe title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/42569320\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/forward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/87A93A\/\" height=\"90\" width=\"600\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe>","thumbnail_url":"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/content\/205480375"}