{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"Testing AI: Engineering Confidence in Non-Deterministic Systems with Jason Arbon","description":"In this episode 600 of the TestGuild Automation Podcast, Joe Colantonio talks with Jason Arbon, founder of Testers.ai, Jank.AI and IcebergQA and author of the new book Testing AI: Engineering Confidence in Non-Deterministic Systems. Take Our 2027 Survey Now: https:\/\/testgld.link\/27data Jason makes a case most testers have not heard yet. Coding is being absorbed by AI. Specification work is thinning out. Product, development, and test roles are converging into one. And when the music stops, the only seat left belongs to the person who can look at what the machine produced and make an evidence backed call on whether it ships. He calls that confidence engineering, and he argues it is not a rebrand of QA. It is what QA was always supposed to be. Along the way, Joe and Jason get into the containment problem and why alignment, not lockdown, is now the real safety goal. They dig into why testing cost scales quadratically, meaning ten times more generated code creates roughly a hundred times more testing demand. Jason also pushes back hard on skeptics of agentic testing, pointing out that almost nobody has run the obvious experiment of testing a site themselves for a week and comparing their results against what AI finds. You will also hear Jason's most practical piece of advice in the whole conversation. If you are not running the same suite five times against the same build and looking at the actual results, not just flake, you are not testing seriously in an AI world. Plus a detour into grokking, the Chinese Room, and Geoffrey Hinton, because it would not be a Jason Arbon episode without one. Listen up! ","author_name":"TestGuild Automation Testing Podcast","author_url":"https:\/\/testguild.com","html":"