{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"The Driverless Digest: How the CPUC Handles AV Permits, Data, and Enforcement (Pat Tsen)","description":"In today\u2019s episode, I\u2019m speaking with Shao (Pat) Tsen, Deputy Executive Director for Consumer Policy, Transportation, and Enforcement at the California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC). We start with an overview of the CPUC and Pat\u2019s role in it. We also break down the split between the CPUC and DMV, clarifying who regulates what, and what companies actually need to do to launch an autonomous vehicle service in California, including the different permit types required along the way. Pat explains the CPUC\u2019s technology-agnostic approach to AV regulation, and why Tesla\u2019s current robotaxi deployment isn\u2019t considered an autonomous vehicle service under CPUC jurisdiction. We then dig into what it really takes to secure an AV permit, and whether the approval process is more subjective or objective in practice. The conversation also covers enforcement, reporting, and data collection requirements for AV companies, including new stoppage event reporting rules and what data is ultimately made public. We also get into how the CPUC approaches transparency, accountability, and the balance between innovation and public safety\u2014and where its regulatory oversight starts to reach its limits. Chapters (00:00) Introduction to Shao (Pat) Tsen (03:34) Introduction to the CPUC and their areas of regulation (05:03) Pat\u2019s role at the CPUC (08:37) CPUC vs DMV: Who Regulates What? (10:54) Steps to launching an autonomous vehicle service in California\u2014and the different types of permits (14:05) The CPUC\u2019s technology-agnostic role in AV regulation (15:05) Why Tesla\u2019s robotaxi isn\u2019t considered an autonomous vehicle service in California (18:35) What it takes to get an AV permit from the CPUC (21:35) Is the CPUC\u2019s AV permit approval process more subjective or objective? (24:55) Enforcement, reporting, and data collection for AV companies under the CPUC\u2019s jurisdiction (30:21) What autonomous vehicle companies currently have to report to the CPUC, including new stoppage event requirements (32:45) What AV company data is made publicly available? (37:10) How the CPUC handles new edge cases and teleoperations (41:44) Limits of the CPUC\u2019s oversight (43:00) Conclusions and final thoughts Notes\/Links: You can find Pat on Linkedin. Relevant links for the CPUC\u2019s AV program Decision and resolution numbers which set rules or approved new authority to operate D.18-05-043 aka the \u201cPilot Decision,\u201d created the AV Pilot program and set requirements for participants D.20-11-046 as modified by D.21-05-017 aka the \u201cDeployment Decision,\u201d created AV Deployment program and set the requirements for participants D.24-11-002 aka the AV Data Decision, expanded AV data reporting requirements including incident reporting and \u201cstoppage event\u201d reporting R.-25-08-013 (OIR opened August 2025) \u2013 the new AV rulemaking to update policies\/processes\/rules for AV passenger transportation General Order (GO) 157-E: TCP Regulations Resolutions: Resolution TL-19144 (2023) \u2013 approved Waymo for Phase I Driverless AV Passenger Service Deployment Resolution TL-19145 (2023) \u2013 approved Cruise (Phase 1 driverless deployment authorization) AV Program Quarterly Reporting (link). To file a complaint, you can fill out this form Passenger complaint form and email to consumer-affairs@cpuc.ca.gov To submit a public comment in the ongoing AV rulemaking, as mentioned at the 41:25 timestamp, you can access the public comment tab here R2508013 -Harry ","author_name":"The Rideshare Guy Podcast","author_url":"http:\/\/therideshareguy.com\/","html":"