{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"LH128 Crossing the Divide with Lars Hyland","description":"What does it take to change how an industry works \u2014 and what happens when it doesn\u2019t change fast enough? Lars Hyland has been asking that question for thirty years, from the early days of interactive multimedia through nearly a decade leading EMEA for Totara Learning, and now at Enlytning, an AI-powered platform helping small businesses close the gap between policy and practice. In this conversation, John and Lars go back to the beginning \u2014 to the Epic days, when the e-learning model that now dominates the industry was taking shape around them \u2014 and trace a career-long argument about the one thing L&D keeps getting wrong.   They cover the founding of Retenda in 2010 \u2014 a learning reinforcement platform built on spaced repetition, a decade before the category existed \u2014 and why good timing isn\u2019t enough if the market isn\u2019t ready. They get into the Totara years, open source as a power relationship, and the honest tension in spending nearly a decade championing infrastructure you know is being misused. And they dig into AI: not the conference version, but the harder question of whether the industry is using it to fix a broken model or just to run the broken model faster. Lars\u2019s phrase for the latter \u2014 faster garbage in, garbage out \u2014 is both a provocation and a diagnosis.   Lars has a view on what he thinks good actually looks like. The question is whether the industry is willing to build it.   TIMESTAMPS 02:12 - Intro 05:05 - The formative years of elearning 17:59 - Why did he found Retenda? 21:35 - The Totara years 25:53 - What happens to open source tech when it goes commercial? 30:21 - Enlytning 40:26 - Compliance & HR 52:17 - Does the SaaS model still have a future? 57:51 - A way to cut down duplication in course catalogues? 01:08:51 - End   CONNECT WITH LEARNING HACK LinkedIn: linkedin.com\/in\/johnhelmer X: @johnhelmer Threads: @jphelmer Bluesky: @johnhelmer.bsky.social Website: learninghackpodcast.com ","author_name":"The Learning Hack podcast","author_url":"https:\/\/learninghackpodcast.com\/","html":"