{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"Beyond Walls","description":" A Conversation with Lacey Sch\u00fctz | Beyond Walls What does it really take to lead an institution that lives up to its own values? In this episode, we sit down with Lacey Sch\u00fctz \u2014 a cultural leader with over fifteen years of experience at institutions including the Museum of the City of New York and Shaker Museum \u2014 now based in Saudi Arabia, where she's been observing a cultural ecosystem being built from the ground up. Lacey speaks candidly about the hidden costs of scarcity culture in mission-driven organizations, why burnout is a systems failure rather than a personal one, and what humane leadership actually looks like in practice. She reflects on the tension between institutional values and institutional behavior, the quiet power of micro-interactions, and what museums need to let go of to become genuine parts of their communities. From a little girl in the Bronx declaring her love of art to drone shows drawing millions of Saudi families into public space, Lacey reminds us that access to culture changes lives \u2014 at every scale. This is a conversation about leadership, institutional change, and what it means to do meaningful work in an uncertain world. ","author_name":"Project Inclusion: The Podcast","author_url":"https:\/\/projectinclusion.us","html":"