{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"E183 | Untangling Love: A Journey with Wayne Jacobsen","description":"Wayne Jacobson on Experiencing God\u2019s Love, Presence, and Freedom Beyond Performance | Face to Face Podcast Ep. 183 In this episode of the Face to Face Podcast, we interview author and former pastor Wayne Jacobson about moving from a transactional, performance-based faith to an experiential life rooted in God\u2019s affection, presence, and fullness. Wayne shares his background, ministry disillusionment, repeated experiences of betrayal, and how God\u2019s presence slowly meets people in pain and trauma. He explains how a curative (not punitive) view of the atonement reshaped his view of the Father, argues that transformation comes through relational engagement with God rather than information alone, and critiques Christianity as a sin- or shame-management system. He discusses community as a gift cultivated through hospitality and friendship, points listeners to his book He Loves Me and his websites, and closes by praying for listeners to relax into the \u201cunforced rhythms of grace.\u201d 00:26 Meet Wayne Jacobson 01:08 Level One Invitation 02:07 Trauma Course Preview 03:15 Why This Interview Matters 04:57 Wayne\u2019s Journey Begins 07:30 Betrayal and Presence 09:41 From Earning to Love 16:18 Atonement Reframed 20:16 Engagement Over Information 24:30 Belonging Before Behaving 28:00 Affection Presence Fullness 29:12 Rethinking Sin and Shame 30:29 Sin Management Trap 32:02 Righteousness as Justice 33:26 Relational Justice Through Love 35:49 God Inside Our Failures 37:08 Lifting the Legalism Veil 40:11 Unforced Rhythms of Grace 46:17 Engagement Over Doctrine 51:08 Fear of Hell and Salvation Now 53:25 Finding Real Community 58:26 Resources and Final Blessing 01:01:29 Closing Reflections and Outro ","author_name":"Face to Face Podcast","author_url":"http:\/\/facetofacenetwork.org","html":"