{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"Ep. 329 - Security Awareness Series - Mistakes, AI and Empathy: Being a Powerful Leader with Michelle Li","description":"Today on the Social-Engineer Podcast: The Security Awareness Series, Chris is joined by Michelle Li. Chris and Michelle delve into the transformative role of AI in social engineering, highlighting both its potential and pitfalls. Their conversation emphasizes the critical need for empathy in leadership and the importance of maintaining human-centric processes in an increasingly automated world. [Nov 17, 2025] &amp;nbsp; 00:00 - Intro  00:27 - Intro Links:  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Social-Engineer.com&amp;nbsp;- http:\/\/www.social-engineer.com\/  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Offensive Security Vishing Services -&amp;nbsp;https:\/\/www.social-engineer.com\/offensive-security\/vishing\/  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Offensive Security SMiShing Services -&amp;nbsp;https:\/\/www.social-engineer.com\/offensive-security\/smishing\/  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Offensive Security Phishing Services -&amp;nbsp;https:\/\/www.social-engineer.com\/offensive-security\/smishing\/  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Call Back Phishing -&amp;nbsp;https:\/\/www.social-engineer.com\/offensive-security\/call-back-phishing\/  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Adversarial Simulation Services -&amp;nbsp;https:\/\/www.social-engineer.com\/offensive-security\/adversarial-simulation\/  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Social Engineering Risk Assessments -&amp;nbsp;https:\/\/www.social-engineer.com\/offensive-security\/social-engineering-risk-assessment\/  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Social-Engineer channel on SLACK&amp;nbsp;-  https:\/\/social-engineering-hq.slack.com\/ssb  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; CLUTCH&amp;nbsp;-  http:\/\/www.pro-rock.com\/  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; innocentlivesfoundation.org&amp;nbsp;-  http:\/\/www.innocentlivesfoundation.org\/  &amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;  02:34 - Michelle Li Intro  03:14 - A Roundabout Journey  05:40 - The Importance of Legacy  07:26 - Using AI Honorably  10:00 - The Effects of AI on Social Engineering  11:52 - AI for Protection  13:47 - Still About the Human Role  14:49 - Masterclass Ad  16:27 - Origins of FASE  20:01 - Reflection of Self  25:52 - The Role of Core Principles  30:15 - New Kid in Town  34:08 - Find Michelle Li Online  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; LinkedIn:  https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/michelle-li-mba-ssbb-0850b975\/  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Website:  https:\/\/www.bisblox.com\/  34:47 - Book Recommendations  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Blink -  Malcolm Gladwell  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; The Book of Forgiving -  Desmond Tutu  36:11 - Mentors  38:52 - Wrap Up &amp;amp; Outro  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; www.social-engineer.com  -&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; www.innocentlivesfoundation.org ","author_name":"The Social-Engineer Podcast","author_url":"http:\/\/www.social-engineer.org\/category\/podcast\/","html":"<iframe title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/39042820\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/forward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/88AA3C\/\" height=\"90\" width=\"600\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe>","thumbnail_url":"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/content\/195473565"}