{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"149 When God Becomes Real: Deeper Prayer &amp; Divine Intimacy with Fr. Wayne Sattler","description":"\ud83d\udd35 Join Matthew on a MARIAN Shrines PILGRIMAGE to Fatima, Lourdes, and more in 2026: https:\/\/www.206tours.com\/cms\/sos\/marianshrines\/ \ud83d\udfe1 Watch Course 1 of the Science of Sainthood: INTRODUCTION TO REAL PRAYER for FREE: https:\/\/www.scienceofsainthood.com \ud83d\udfe0 SUPPORT this podcast and Matthew's work to spread the Catholic faith: https:\/\/www.scienceofsainthood.com\/donate It's a simple, yet profound question. Is God a person or an idea to you? Seriously, take a moment and think about it.&amp;nbsp; Do you really see him as a person or is he some kind of ethereal idea floating up in the heavens? For a lot of us - if we're being honest with ourselves - tend to think of him in non-personal terms.&amp;nbsp; He's this force or idea up above.&amp;nbsp; Yes, we talk to him on occasion. We ask him for things. We even praise him and receive him in the Eucharist. But do we know him as a person? And if not, how can we do that? How can we develop a truly personal, transformative relationship with the Lord? Well, who better than to ask than a former hermit about how to truly commune with God? Fr. Wayne Sattler - a former hermit and spiritual director for his entire diocese - is going to help us deepen our relationship with Christ on this powerful episode of the Art of Catholic podcast. You do NOT want to miss it. Taking a deep dive into the subject of his new book, Remain in Me and I in You, my wide-ranging conversation with Father Sattler includes:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;  How&amp;nbsp;to know God as a person, not just an idea What really happens in contemplative prayer&amp;nbsp; The crucial difference between&amp;nbsp;agape&amp;nbsp;love and&amp;nbsp;eros Why some people never attain higher prayer What Christ really meant when he said, &quot;Follow me&quot; The fundamental requirement for truly serving God And much more!&amp;nbsp;  &amp;nbsp; ","author_name":"The Art of Catholic with Matthew Leonard","author_url":"https:\/\/matthewsleonard.com","html":"<iframe title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/38757330\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/forward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/fb8c00\/\" height=\"90\" width=\"600\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe>","thumbnail_url":"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/item\/38757330"}