{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"EP242 Give Every Heat Pump a Cell Phone - Predictive HVAC with Thalo Labs With Brendan Hermalyn (October 2025)","description":"QUOTES from the Episode \u201cInstead of landlines everywhere, give every heat pump a cell phone and let it call home.\u201d \u201cWe\u2019re seeing close to 40% of heat pumps undercharged or leaking\u2014no wonder callbacks are high.\u201d \u201cWhat gets measured gets managed.\u201d \u2014 often attributed to Peter Drucker (fitting this data-driven shift) &amp;nbsp; Brendan Hermalyn (CEO\/founder, Thalo Labs) traces a zig-zag path from NASA and defense to self-driving cars\u2014then into HVAC. His through-line: high-reliability sensing and prognostics. Thalo\u2019s product aims to \u201cgive every heat pump a cell phone,\u201d using a small, non-invasive module that snaps inside VRFs\/splits (and eventually larger plants), measures power and line temps, backhauls via cellular, and flags undercharge\/leaks and power-quality issues before they become emergency calls. It\u2019s equipment management, not a full BMS\u2014lightweight to install, built for techs, and friendly to API integrations, texts, and weekly roll-ups. Brendan argues the market is ready: most commercial buildings still lack BMS, Wi-Fi is fragile for critical telemetry, and the economics of sensors\/cloud have flipped. Thalo avoids tapping the refrigerant loop, prioritizes fast installs (often 10\u201330 minutes), QR\/location tagging, and even a \u201cbuzz this unit\u201d feature to find the right rooftop box. Early field data is sobering\u2014he\u2019s seeing ~40% of heat pumps undercharged and\/or leaking\u2014driving callbacks, compressor failures, and energy waste. The pitch to contractors: turn break-fix chaos into planned maintenance, white-label the savings report, and train new techs faster with data-driven cues. Oh, and the name? \u201cThalo\u201d like the deep sky blue\u2014an homage to adding tech to make the picture clearer. &amp;nbsp; Brendan\u2019s LinkedIn: https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/brendan-hermalyn\/ Thalo Labs: https:\/\/thalolabs.com\/ &amp;nbsp; This episode was recorded in October 2025. &amp;nbsp; ","author_name":"Building HVAC Science","author_url":"https:\/\/www.buildinghvacscience.com","html":"<iframe title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/38747020\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/forward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/04669a\/\" height=\"90\" width=\"600\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe>","thumbnail_url":"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/item\/38747020"}