{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"93: Ezra Klein\u2019s Abundance Delusion","description":"Just say \u201cNO.\u201d Some approaches to \u201cabundance\u201d are healthy, but one brand of abundance that\u2019s been capturing the cultural moment lately is a recipe for a dead planet. Dave and Stephanie assess key points made by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson in their book, Abundance. The result, a sound thrashing. The authors believe \u201cAmerica needs to build and invent more of the things it needs.\u201d They advocate eliminating regulatory barriers that are keeping us from getting more, faster. Conservation and environmental stewardship are not on the agenda. Klein is a columnist for The New York Times and host of The Ezra Klein Show. Derek is a writer at The Atlantic and host of the Plain English podcast. They lean left, so many are suggesting the Democratic party should adopt \u201cthe abundance agenda\u201d as it remakes itself in the wake of 2024 electoral defeat. In this episode, we make the case against that. We\u2019re not alone. Among the links we provide below are some additional thoughtful and articulate critiques of the book and agenda.&amp;nbsp; MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE: Economic Wisdom from the Natural World: The Serviceberry \u2013 episode 92 of the GrowthBusters podcasthttps:\/\/www.growthbusters.org\/serviceberry\/ Abundance \u2013 by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompsonhttps:\/\/www.goodreads.com\/book\/show\/176444106-abundance The Elite\u2019s Fixation with Low Birth Rates \u2013 Overshoot podcast episode with Samuel Miller McDonaldhttps:\/\/www.populationbalance.org\/podcast\/samuel-miller-mcdonald An Abundance of Concrete \u2013 by Ben Goldfarbhttps:\/\/defector.com\/an-abundance-of-concrete Colorado Matters episode with Ben Goldfarbhttps:\/\/www.cpr.org\/2025\/06\/27\/interview-ben-goldfarb-state-of-conservation\/ Bezos: We\u2019re Going to Need Another Planet \u2013 episode 89 of the GrowthBusters podcasthttps:\/\/www.growthbusters.org\/bezos-need-another-planet\/ On Abundance - by The Last Farmhttps:\/\/www.resilience.org\/stories\/2025-07-16\/on-abundance  (Note: a good critique of \u201cabundance\u201d but a narrow solution. It\u2019s a good part of the solution, but not complete.)  Give Us Feedback:  Record a voice message for us to play on the podcast: 719-402-1400 Send an email to podcast at growthbusters.org  The GrowthBusters theme song was written and produced by Jake Fader and sung by Carlos Jones. https:\/\/www.fadermusicandsound.com\/ https:\/\/carlosjones.com\/ On the GrowthBusters podcast, we come to terms with the limits to growth, explore the joy of sustainable living, and provide a recovery program from our society\u2019s growth addiction (economic\/consumption and population). This podcast is part of the GrowthBusters project to raise awareness of overshoot and end our culture\u2019s obsession with, and pursuit of, growth. Dave Gardner directed the documentary GrowthBusters: Hooked on Growth, which Stanford Biologist Paul Ehrlich declared \u201ccould be the most important film ever made.\u201d Co-host, and self-described &quot;energy nerd,&quot; Stephanie Gardner has degrees in Environmental Studies and Environmental Law &amp;amp; Policy. Join the GrowthBusters online community https:\/\/growthbusters.groups.io\/ GrowthBusters: Hooked on Growth \u2013 free on YouTube https:\/\/youtu.be\/_w0LiBsVFBo Join the conversation on Facebook https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/GrowthBustersPodcast\/ Follow us on Instagram  https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/growthbusting\/ Follow us on Bluesky https:\/\/bsky.app\/profile\/growthbusters.bsky.social Make a donation to support this non-profit project. https:\/\/www.growthbusters.org\/donate\/ Archive of GrowthBusters podcast episodes http:\/\/www.growthbusters.org\/podcast\/ Subscribe to GrowthBusters email updates https:\/\/lp.constantcontact.com\/su\/umptf6w\/signup Explore the issues at http:\/\/www.growthbusters.org View the GrowthBusters channel on YouTube  Follow the podcast so you don't miss an episode:  ","author_name":"GrowthBusters","author_url":"http:\/\/www.growthbusters.libsyn.com","html":"<iframe title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/38020065\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/forward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/8dcddf\/\" height=\"90\" width=\"600\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe>","thumbnail_url":"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/content\/192458980"}