{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f Business Transformation Podcast \u2013 Episode #43 People Science Over Process: The No-Nonsense Truth About Change Management with Ron Leeman","description":"\ud83c\udf99\ufe0f Business Transformation Podcast \u2013 Episode #43 People Science Over Process: The No-Nonsense Truth About Change Management with Ron Leeman \ud83d\udd14 Don\u2019t forget to Like, Subscribe, and Hit the Bell so you never miss an episode! \ud83d\udc47 LISTEN TO THIS if you\u2019re in change, transformation, or leadership! \ud83d\udc47 In this no-BS, high-value episode, Heath Gascoigne sits down with Ron Leeman \u2014 the legendary change manager with 40+ years of global experience \u2014 to unpack the myths, truths, and overlooked realities of driving transformation that sticks. From the fallacy of the \u201c70% failure rate\u201d to why \u201cpeople science\u201d is the future of change, this conversation is jam-packed with war stories, practical wisdom, and takeaways every transformation leader needs to hear. \ud83e\udde0 What You\u2019ll Learn in This Episode: 00:00 - Intro: Who is Ron Leeman? 03:00 - Surviving Ponzi schemes, transformation war stories, and global experience 10:00 - Why industry-specific experience in change is overrated 18:00 - The rise of AI in change management \u2013 and the risks of blind adoption 23:00 - People Science vs. People Side: The evolution of change thinking 31:00 - Sponsors, vision, and why your business case is NOT a one-off document 42:00 - Measuring success: Ron\u2019s take on balanced business scorecards 50:00 - Transformation vs. Change \u2013 are we just relabeling? 58:00 - Final advice: What Ron would do differently (so you don\u2019t have to) \ud83d\udca1 Whether you\u2019re a consultant, change lead, C-suite exec, or just getting started, this is your shortcut to decades of lived experience. &amp;nbsp; \ud83d\udce3 About Ron Leeman: Ron is an award-winning global change expert, speaker, trainer, and founder of The Highway of Change. Based in Thailand, he\u2019s delivered change programs across Europe, Asia, and the US in over 25 industries \u2014 from government and pharmaceuticals to construction and banking. \ud83c\udf10 Connect with Ron: \ud83d\udd17 LinkedIn: https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/ronleeman\/ \ud83d\udcda Website: https:\/\/www.thehighwayofchange.com \ud83c\udfa7 Listen to the full podcast on: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts | Amazon Music &amp;nbsp; \ud83d\udd25 Let\u2019s connect! \ud83d\udd17 Follow HOBA TECH: https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/company\/hoba-tech \ud83c\udf0d Visit: https:\/\/www.hoba.tech \ud83d\udce9 Join the waitlist for our AI for Business Transformation Consultants course: https:\/\/www.hoba.tech\/ai-for-consultants &amp;nbsp; #ChangeManagement #BusinessTransformation #PeopleScience #RonLeeman #HOBATech #DigitalTransformation #TransformationLeadership #OrganizationalChange #AIinChange #ChangeLeadership #TransformationPodcast #ChangeConsulting #LeadershipTips #CulturalChange #FutureOfWork #ConsultingInsights ","author_name":"The Business Transformation Podcast","author_url":"https:\/\/hoba.tech\/podcast\/","html":"<iframe title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/37277885\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/forward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/88AA3C\/\" height=\"90\" width=\"600\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe>","thumbnail_url":"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/content\/190393670"}