{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"S4-E9: I was a judge, a solictor but mostly I was a head on a stick, with Claire Payne","description":"Italian sports car. Corner office. Member of the judiciary, Solictor - On paper, Claire Payne had it all - and - Friday evening, 9pm in her office, with her little one at home, she has a moment.  In this candid and revealing episode, Claire shares the moment when she realised she was living entirely as a head on a stick with no awareness of a body until it felt like it was failing her. The resignation went in on Monday only for an adventure to take shape in the months after.  Today, Claire leads a growing movement at the intersection of nervous system intelligence and business performance. Through immersive retreats, onsite culture change, and re-wilding with equine and wolf-based leadership programs, Claire helps leaders meet their whole self, and then learn how to use all available resources to create a life they never want to leave.  Inside: The moment when success became unbearable\u2014and what she did next How nervous system regulation is now core to her executive work Why traditional leadership models burn people out What wolves, horses, and conflict teach us about trust, presence, and high performance How Claire is reshaping leadership culture from the inside out This episode is a permission slip for anyone who\u2019s ever wondered: What if there\u2019s more\u2014and less\u2014than all this? _________________________________________________________________________________ Claire-Elaine Arthurs Payne MSc CMgr CEDR (Accred) is a qualified solicitor, leadership expert, Faculty at the Nervous System Economy, and founder of Orthelian\u2014a consultancy at the intersection of nervous system intelligence, behavioural science, and business performance. With over 20 years' experience advising senior leaders and boards, Claire helps high-performing individuals and organisations move beyond survival-mode cultures toward sustainable, strategic success. Known for her rare blend of legal expertise, behavioural insight, and practical leadership acumen, Claire integrates nature-based experiences\u2014including retreats with wolves and horses\u2014into her immersive programmes. In addition to leading transformation through Orthelian, she remains a Partner at Gunnercooke LLP, a sitting Judge in the First-tier Tribunal, and holds multiple Non-Executive roles. Claire\u2019s work challenges outdated models of urgency, overwork, and control\u2014inviting leaders to step into a more intelligent, instinct-led way of leading that\u2019s built to last. Orthelian are hosting their next Wolf Retreat Sep 15 - 18, 2025, DM Claire 'WOLF RETREAT" for more details.  Claire Payne on LinkedIn >  Orthelian.com  _____________________________________________________________________   Shannon Eastman Shannon Eastman  is a business growth strategist fluent in both boardroom dynamics and nervous system intelligence.  With 25 years of experience scaling businesses across tech, finance, and regulated industries worldwide, she brings a systems-thinking approach to performance, leadership, and wellbeing. After five years studying the neurobiology of trauma, Jungian psychology, and polyvagal theory, Shannon now integrates nervous system intelligence into the way business gets done\u2014through corporate pilots, strategic partnerships, and a global network of innovators driving this shift. Her work bridges performance and wellbeing, laying the groundwork for a more human, sustainable way to lead. www.shannoneastman.com Follow Shannon on LinkedIn >    ______________________________________________________________________ NEW: Nervous System Economy\u2122 You\u2019ll hear us refer to the Nervous System Economy\u2122 \u2014 a industry level educaiton initiative committed to integrating Nervous System Intelligence into business and leadership. You'll find more about this over here: www.nervoussystemeconomy.com    _______________________________________________________________________ A Note on Safety Your mental health, wellbeing, and sense of safety matter deeply. Working with a trauma-informed practitioner can make a significant difference. While this podcast shares insights, reflections, and tools, it is not a substitute for professional support. If you\u2019re seeking a qualified practitioner, visit the Directory on our website. Our community includes psychologists, psychotherapists, and psychiatrists who work through a trauma-informed lens \u2014 often with a special interest in supporting professionals aged 40+ or working within organisations.   _____________________________________________________________________ #WTTLO #WhoTurnedTheLightsOn #NervousSystemEconomy #CPTSD #Wellbeing #MentalHealth #40PlusProfessionals #Anxiety #TraumaRecovery #NervousSystemRegulation #WellbeingAtWork #Edutainment #NervousSystemBasics #NervousSystemInformedApproach    #recovery, #stress, #anxiety, #CPTSD, #nervous system, #Nervous System Economy, #WTTLO, #Nervous System Intelligence, #Nervous System Literacy ","author_name":"Who Turned The Lights On?","author_url":"https:\/\/www.whoturnedthelightson.com","html":"