{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"Painless 2VBAC and Unmedicated 3VBAC with Crystalee","description":"Crystalee, the creator of the Mama Ladder, is on the show today sharing her four birth stories! Crystalee said: \u201cIt took me four tries to get that natural, unmedicated birth I wanted from the start.\u201d She compares epidural VBACs to med-free VBACs. She has a lot of insight! Topics covered in the show today:  Frank breech C-section 18 Months between C-section and VBAC Third degree tear Doesn\u2019t feel contractions until in active labor Pregnancy during the pandemic What she learned from her C-section  Links mentioned:  Mama Natural Birth Course The Mama Ladder  Connect with Crystalee on Instagram here! Join the VBAC Babes  newsletter here! Follow VBAC Babes on Instagram Grab your VBAC Mama shirt here! ","author_name":"VBAC Babes","author_url":"http:\/\/thestrollermom.com","html":"<iframe title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/24038733\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/forward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/88AA3C\/\" height=\"90\" width=\"600\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe>","thumbnail_url":"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/item\/24038733"}