{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"The Apollo 40 Under 40 Art &amp; Tech podcast: the art of gaming","description":"In this episode of the Apollo 40 Under 40 Art &amp;amp; Tech podcast, Gabrielle Schwarz speaks to Ian Cheng and Jakob Kudsk Steensen \u2013 two artists who create work using video-game engines. They discuss their most recent projects: Cheng\u2019s&amp;nbsp;Life After BOB, an episodic anime series in which AI has entered the minds of humans, and Kudsk Steensen\u2019s&amp;nbsp;Berl-Berl, an immersive installation that transports viewers to the ancient wetlands that are thought to have given Berlin its name. Both artists discuss their influences in gaming and wider culture \u2013 from The Sims to H.R. Giger \u2013 and the increasingly fluid boundaries between physical and online spaces (just don\u2019t mention the \u2018metaverse\u2019!). The third series of the Apollo 40 Under 40 podcast features conversations with some of the individuals celebrated in this year\u2019s Apollo 40 Under 40 Art &amp;amp; Tech, presented in partnership with BNP Paribas. ","author_name":"The Apollo 40 Under 40 Art &amp; Tech podcast","author_url":"https:\/\/www.apollo-magazine.com\/40-40-art-tech\/","html":"<iframe title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/21367673\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/forward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/88AA3C\/\" height=\"90\" width=\"600\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe>","thumbnail_url":"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/content\/116832449"}