{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"&quot;Smart and Just On One Side, vs. Free and Real On The Other&quot; ","description":"Claudia Cragg @claudiacragg (comments, suggestions, ratings welcome) speaks here with George Packer staff writer at The Atlantic. He is the author of&amp;nbsp;Last Best Hope: America in Crisis and Renewal,&amp;nbsp;Our Man: Richard Holbrooke and the End of the American Century,&amp;nbsp;The Unwinding: An Inner History of the New America,&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;The Assassins\u2019 Gate: America in Iraq. Americas, says Packer, is&quot;...trapped in two countries. Each one is split by two narratives\u2014Smart and Just on one side, Free and Real on the other. Neither separation nor conquest is a tenable future. The tensions within each country will persist even as the cold civil war between them rages on. ","author_name":"ChatChat - Claudia Cragg","author_url":"http:\/\/ccragg123.libsyn.com","html":"<iframe title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/19758941\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/forward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/88AA3C\/\" height=\"90\" width=\"600\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe>","thumbnail_url":"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/content\/107038961"}