{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"Debbie and Ben Conroy [Woodworkers]","description":"Debbie and Ben Conroy join us &amp;nbsp;[EP 141] and discuss standing out in a crowded space of creatives, getting past the fear of not succeeding, and why they want to be around other champions. Enjoy! Show Notes: 4:13 - What was the inspiration for the shift to woodworking.&amp;nbsp; 7:31 - Using social media to spread the word.&amp;nbsp; 10:15 - &quot;Don't be afraid to fail ... &quot; 14:55 - Why they love woodworking.&amp;nbsp; 17:15 - &quot;Not being recognized in a crowded space of creatives ... &quot; 18:36 - How both Debbie &amp;amp; Ben are fighting through the fear of not succeeding.&amp;nbsp; 25:00 - Losing Debbie's dad. &quot;From the darkness, we saw the light ... &quot; 34:58 - &quot;I need a new tool ... &quot; 35:57 - &quot;Be around champions ... &quot; 38:44 - &quot;Don't sweat the small stuff... &quot; How to reach Debbie &amp;amp; Ben: Website | Instagram | Facebook&amp;nbsp; Book Recommendations: &quot;Talking to Strangers&quot; by Malcolm Gladwell Podcast Recommendations: Conan O'Brien Needs a Friend&amp;nbsp; Armchair Expert&amp;nbsp; ","author_name":"The Amani Experience Podcast","author_url":"http:\/\/amaniexperience.com\/podcast","html":"<iframe title=\"Libsyn Player\" style=\"border: none\" src=\"\/\/html5-player.libsyn.com\/embed\/episode\/id\/14337854\/height\/90\/theme\/custom\/thumbnail\/yes\/direction\/forward\/render-playlist\/no\/custom-color\/88AA3C\/\" height=\"90\" width=\"600\" scrolling=\"no\"  allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen><\/iframe>","thumbnail_url":"https:\/\/assets.libsyn.com\/secure\/content\/72320297"}