{"version":1,"type":"rich","provider_name":"Libsyn","provider_url":"https:\/\/www.libsyn.com","height":90,"width":600,"title":"342: If it exists, then you've done it right (w\/ Dan Berry)","description":"Dan Berry is a cartoonist, illustrator, podcaster and educator based in the town of Shrewsbury, UK. He is a frequent collaborator with the author David Gaffney and is currently working on the follow-up to The Three Rooms in Valerie\u2019s Head; a book called Rivers. Since 2012 he has produced the podcast Make It Then Tell Everybody in which he has spoken to over a hundred and sixty other artists about what they do and how they do it. Between 2008 and 2019 he was the Programme Leader for the illustration, comics and children\u2019s books degree courses at the School of Creative Arts, Wrexham Glyndwr University. Full shownotes: http:\/\/yourcreativepush.com\/danberry In this episode, Dan discusses: -His fascination with being able to create something that puts ideas and images in other people\u2019s minds. -Being hospitalized from the extreme stress he experienced working as a designer for a marketing agency. -His decision to quit teaching. -How everyone has different responses to stress, and the value in being able to determine your own. -The large amount of work that you can get done in one hour. -The stress level of effort and \u201chalf-assing it\u201d to aim for a B-grade instead of an A. -Why he called his podcast \u201cMake it then Tell Everybody.\u201d -Illuminating the \u201cgrubby underbelly\u201d of the creative process. -The BMX story and the false belief that growth in your career has to come from the outside. -Telling people about your work, both old and new. -Some of the resistances that his guests have experienced. -How he gets past \u201cpage fright\u201d \u2013 the fear of the blank page. -How he interacts with his ideas and why he is wary of the ones that come into his head fully formed. -Why he draws people as birds. -The experience of drawing an entire comic in 24 hours and other forms of \u201cstunt drawing.\u201d Dan's Final Push will inspire you to forget about making the thing perfect.  Save that for the next one.   Quotes: \u201cIt was a good and fun job.  Up until the point it wasn\u2019t.\u201d \u201cCreativity is not a muscle that you can just flex.  It\u2019s also a gland and you\u2019ve got to relax it.\u201d \u201cI managed to convince myself that everything else was stressful aside from the thing that actually was.\u201d \u201cYou could be the best artist on the planet, but if you\u2019re only drawing in your bedroom and never showing anybody, you basically don\u2019t exist.\u201d \u201cI had this belief that any growth in my career had to come from outside.\u201d \u201cTrying to remain enthusiastic about something that isn\u2019t representative of your current level of ability is difficult.\u201d \u201cIf it exists, then you\u2019ve done it right.\u201d \u201cOnce you have something that exists, you have something that\u2019s editable.\u201d Links mentioned: Make It Then Tell Everybody | How artists do what they do Understanding Comics: The Invisible Art by Scott McCloud The Three Rooms in Valerie's Head by David Gaffney and Dan Berry Dick Rivets & Other Stories by Dan Berry Connect with Dan: Website \/ Podcast \/ Store \/ Twitter On the next episode: Emilija Angelovska : Podcast \/ Website Join the discussion in the Facebook group! ","author_name":"Your Creative Push","author_url":"http:\/\/yourcreativepush.com","html":"