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  <title>When “growing the economy” is not the right answer: Moving to sustainability</title>
  <description>This week on the Next System Podcast we’re joined by Carina Millstone to discuss how to design business for an economic system that is rooted within ecological limits. Millstone is the executive director of&amp;amp;nbsp;Feedback, and her book&amp;amp;nbsp;Frugal Value: Designing Business for a Crowded Planet&amp;amp;nbsp;confronts issues of ownership, scale, consumption, and the other issues society must confront on the path to a more sustainable economy. The Next System Podcast is available on&amp;amp;nbsp;iTunes,&amp;amp;nbsp;Soundcloud,&amp;amp;nbsp;Google Play, and&amp;amp;nbsp;Stitcher Radio. You can also subscribe independently to our&amp;amp;nbsp;RSS&amp;amp;nbsp;feed here. Transcripts for all episodes are available at&amp;amp;nbsp;https://thenextsystem.org/learn/collections/next-system-podcast. </description>
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