1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 In this chapter of Darwin or Design, I talk with Mike Gene. We talk about Mike's forthcoming book The Design Matrix and we discuss the idea of front loading in biology. Mike contributes regularly to the blog Telic Thoughts as well. Darwin or Design http://podiobooks.com/title/darwin-or-design <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/44086/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/44086