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#429 - George Howard and Jim Haslam - Mystery Solved? Reverse Engineering Covid
This episode digs into a controversial theory about SARS-CoV-2 origins, focusing on documents, timelines, and lab-to-lab collaboration rather than the usual public narrative. Jim Haslam lays out his case for how the virus was engineered as part of animal vaccine research, while George Howard helps connect the investigative and public-transparency angles. The conversation also focuses on UNC records, Rocky Mountain Lab, Wuhan, and the broader issue of dual-use biodefense research. Jim Haslam Author of COVID-19: Mystery Solved: It leaked from a Wuhan lab but it’s not Chinese junk: https://a.co/d/gD8JQqi https://jimhaslam.substack.com/ https://x.com/jhas5 George Howard Pajama scientist and former business owner. More than 1K Younger Dryas Impact citations since 2007. Founding Partner Titan Network. https://carolinaflu.org/ https://x.com/CosmicTusk Key Topics Jim Haslam explains the core thesis of his book, COVID-19 Mystery Solved, arguing that SARS-CoV-2 emerged from a U.S. led research network rather than a simple Wuhan lab accident. The discussion centers on Ralph Baric, the University of North Carolina, and documents Haslam says show early work on a SARS-like genome and a furin cleavage site. George Howard frames the issue as a transparency battle, pointing listeners to the Carolinaflu.org petition and UNC’s ongoing resistance to releasing records. The hosts revisit the mainstream lab leak narrative and debate when public opinion shifted from “impossible” to “probably lab leak.” A major thread is the claim that the virus was developed as an animal vaccine model involving bats, mink, deer, ferrets, and hamsters. Haslam argues the research was dual-use and aerosol-focused, with Vincent Munster and Tony Fauci’s biodefense ecosystem playing major roles in making the pathogen highly transmissible. The conversation returns to FOIA material, email trails, and what the guests describe as incriminating silences or resignations from researchers involved in the work. The group discusses the February 2020 call, the proximal origin paper, and how the scientific and media response shaped the public story. George Howard emphasizes that the UNC document fight is still unfinished, with thousands of pre-pandemic records allegedly still withheld. The episode closes with a call for listeners to support transparency efforts and read Haslam’s book for the full argument. To gain access to the second half of show and our Plus feed for audio and podcast please clink the link http://www.grimericaoutlawed.ca/support. 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