1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Hiring more sales heads won’t fix your revenue problems and it might be your most expensive mistake. In this episode, you’ll hear why building the right sales system first is key to scaling sustainably. Janice B Gordon sits down with Jacek Dukat, unpacking why the traditional sales leadership playbook is broken and what works now. What you’ll learn: a) Why evidence-based, risk-shared commercial execution outperforms traditional hiring b) The steps to build, test, and validate outbound sales models before scaling c) How to win complex enterprise deals cold, even against bigger competitors Jacek Dukat is a fractional sales director and new business specialist with over 25 years’ experience scaling B2B tech revenue across European markets, winning over €80 million in complex enterprise IT engagements, all without warm introductions or inherited relationships. Timestamps: 05:09 Hiring challenges in scaling businesses 10:12 Customer experience and market testing 11:57 Interim sales director role dynamics 16:28 Working as a contractor 19:33 Discussing broken sales systems 24:03 Challenges in improving conversion rates 25:24 Measuring client engagement and sales 28:45 Understanding the client business environment 33:58 Starting a proof of concept 35:39 Winning a deal with a client Connect with Jacek Dukat LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jacekdukat/ &amp;nbsp; Connect with Janice Book Janice to speak at your next sales or leadership event: https://janicebgordon.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/janice-b-gordon/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/janicebgordon Scale Your Sales Podcast: https://scaleyoursales.co.uk/podcast Enjoy the episode? Share your takeaway in the comments and leave a review on Apple Podcasts to help more leaders discover the show. Scale Your Sales Podcast https://scaleyoursales.co.uk/ <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/42236015/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/87A93A/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/content/204526970