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Rethinking Succession in Family Business with Josh Baron
The Enlightened Family Business Podcast Ep. 165: Rethinking Succession in Family Business with Josh Baron   In this episode of the Enlightened Family Business Podcast, host Chris Yonker sits down with Josh Baron — Harvard Business School faculty member, co-founder of Banyan Global, and co-author of multiple Harvard Business Review works on family enterprise — for a rich, deeply practical conversation on the topic that never gets old: succession. Josh has spent 20 years advising family businesses and teaching at Columbia and Harvard, and what he keeps finding is that families don’t fail at succession because they chose the wrong person. They fail because they never built the right process. Together Chris and Josh explore why a family business CEO who’s been in the seat for 30 years is not facing a job change — they’re facing an identity crisis; why the how of succession is more important than the what; the critical difference between conquerors and rulers and why the next generation doesn’t need to look like the founder to be the right fit; how to use the arc of succession — assets, roles, and capabilities — as a planning framework; what happens when the founding generation leaves and the next generation discovers they have no one to resolve their disputes; and why working backwards from the far future is one of the most effective tools for getting a reluctant founder to engage. They also dig into the four ownership models used by successful multi-generational family businesses and why the question isn’t just who should run the business — it’s whether the family should have a business at all. Episode Chapters ·       3:56   Meet Josh Baron ·       5:13   From Bain to Banyan: How Josh Found His Way Into Family Business ·       8:00   Why Succession Is an Evergreen Problem — and Always Will Be ·       10:12  What the Rising Generation Is Really Feeling ·       13:12  Why G1 and G2 Struggle to See Each Other Clearly ·       15:39  When Is the Right Time to Start Succession Planning? ·       16:05  The Arc of Succession: Assets, Roles, and Capabilities ·       20:48  Succession Is a Process, Not an Event ·       22:11  The Danger of the One-Winner Moment ·       24:33  Why Every Generation Needs a Different Kind of Leader ·       27:50  How to Help a Founder Embrace What Got Us Here Won’t Get Us There ·       30:00  Grafting: How the Next Gen Should Introduce New Ideas ·       31:30  Working Backwards: The Most Effective Tool for Reluctant Founders ·       35:35  What Happens When the Founder Leaves and the Glue Disappears ·       38:00  Should We Even Have a Family Business? The Question Nobody Asks ·       40:19  The Four Ownership Models and When Each One Works ·       46:09  The How Is Greater Than the What ·       49:06  When to Get Outside Help — and Why You Always Need It ·       53:31  Resources and Farewell   Websites ·       hbs.edu (search Josh Baron) ·       banyanglobal.com ·       chrisyonker.com   Book & Articles ·       The Founder’s Final Act — Harvard Business Review, September–October 2025 ·       Search “Josh Baron HBS” for the full catalog of published work   About Josh Baron Josh Baron is a Senior Lecturer at Harvard Business School, coauthor of the Harvard Business Review Family Business Handbook, and a cofounder of BanyanGlobal Family Business Advisors.
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