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  <title>EP277: CISO as CFO, From Citi to Celery, It's All about the Cabbage</title>
  <description>Guest:  Arvin Bansal, CISO, C&amp;amp;amp;S Wholesale Grocers  Topics:  Most people do not associate grocery wholesale and retail with cutting edge technology and threat models. Can you produce the receipts for why this isn’t a story of dry goods but rather a very meaty topic with beefy adversaries?&amp;amp;nbsp; How are you as the CISO enabling C&amp;amp;amp;S’s journey into AI and LLM driven work? Securing AI is a bit harder than securing classic analytics tools, right? In addition to securely rolling out AI, how is your defense team using AI to secure C&amp;amp;amp;S? Are you into the era of agentic triage and response?&amp;amp;nbsp; What metrics for AI is your D&amp;amp;amp;R lead surfacing up to you? You have AI in the business process that - if failed - will leave people hungry. How do you approach AI resilience?&amp;amp;nbsp; How do you approach resilience in general? Is cloud part of your resilience strategy? You worked at Citigroup for a long time. What’s it like having grocery margin budgets for security instead? How does your thinking change? Does this shift your build/buy/outsource for security?&amp;amp;nbsp; If your IoT stack falls over, you’ve got literal ice cream melting in a warehouse. How do you balance your investments in cyber risk with physical operational risk? Should I be scared of forklifts?  Resources:   EP275 Google Cloud Next 2026: The AI Earthquake, “SOC-home” Syndrome, and the Ragged Edge of Reality  EP247 The Evolving CISO: From Security Cop to Cloud &amp;amp;amp; AI Champion  EP208 The Modern CISO: Balancing Risk, Innovation, and Business Strategy (And Where is Cloud?)  EP212 Securing the Cloud at Scale: Modern Bank CISO on Metrics, Challenges, and SecOps  </description>
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