1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Guest: Grant Dasher, ex-CISA, ex-Google, Distinguished Engineer, Google (again) Topics: Why is the&amp;nbsp; &quot;Secure-by-Design&quot; movement gaining so much momentum now, and is it a response to the failure of &quot;bolted-on&quot; security, or just a natural evolution of cloud maturity? In a future Secure-by-Design world, is identity the only perimeter that actually matters anymore? Or is this a cliche? As we move toward a world of autonomous agents, how does our approach to machine identity need to change? Are we just talking about more complex Service Accounts, or do we need a fundamental shift in how we authorize &quot;intent&quot; What is your&amp;nbsp; advice&amp;nbsp; to people who want to move fast and cannot wait for Secure by Design / Default&amp;nbsp; AI to be decided by consensus or IETF, NIST or OASIS committee? We love the argument that modern AI agents are effectively repeating the mistakes of 1960s payphones - mixing the data plane and the control plane. What is your rebuttal? How do we build &quot;Agentic Security&quot; that doesn't fall for 60-year-old traps? Customers are torn between their Zero Trust implementations and their AI adoption. Is Zero Trust now &quot;legacy,&quot; or is it the prerequisite for everything we’re trying to do with AI agents?&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Is there Zero Trust for AI? Is this a fake buzzword or technical reality? Resources: Video version EP256 Rewiring Democracy &amp;amp; Hacking Trust: Bruce Schneier on the AI Offense-Defense Balance EP133 The Shared Problem of Alerting: More SRE Lessons for Security EP85 Deploy Security Capabilities at Scale: SRE Explains How Google SRE books “Atomic Accidents” book (yes, really) Cloud Security Podcast by Google https://cloud.withgoogle.com/cloudsecurity/podcast/ <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/41011030/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/41011030