1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Hiring feels like a milestone—but what happens after you bring someone on is where the real work begins. In this episode, Michelle sits down with Erika Bonnell, Melissa Lee, and Ruth Ann Jansen for an honest conversation about what it actually looks like to grow a team inside a design firm. From hiring the wrong role to realizing leadership is a learned skill, this conversation pulls back the curtain on scaling a business in a way that’s both profitable and sustainable. If you’ve ever thought, “I just need to hire someone and everything will feel easier,” this episode will give you a much more grounded (and useful) perspective. What You’ll Learn Why hiring doesn’t automatically fix overwhelm The biggest misconception designers have about growing a team How to determine who you actually need to hire (hint: it’s often not a junior designer) The difference between managing people vs. leading them Why more team members ≠ more profit How to think about scaling based on your desired lifestyle, not industry expectations When to hire vs. outsource vs. use contractors (1099s) What roles actually “move the needle” in a design firm Why operations hires are often the most impactful How to measure if a team member is truly contributing financially The role AI is starting to play in design firms (and hiring decisions) Why tracking time is critical—even if you charge flat fees How to avoid costly hiring mistakes Key Takeaways 1. You might be hiring the wrong role. Many designers think they need a junior designer—but what they actually need is administrative or operational support. 2. Hiring creates new problems (not just solutions). Managing people, training, and leadership all require time and energy—often more than expected. 3. Smaller teams can be more profitable. Scaling down doesn’t mean failure. It can mean better margins, less stress, and more intentional growth. 4. Operations support is often the biggest game-changer. Getting procurement, invoicing, and admin off your plate frees you up to design and generate revenue. 5. Hire for values, not just skill. Skills can be taught. Cultural fit and alignment are what make team members stay and thrive. 6. Not every season requires full-time hires. Contractors, freelancers, and outsourcing can reduce risk and increase flexibility. 7. You need financial clarity before hiring. Understand how a role contributes to revenue—or how it frees you up to generate more. 8. AI is shifting how firms operate. From client communication to renderings to internal systems, AI is reducing admin load—but requires intentional implementation. 9. Time tracking is non-negotiable. Even experienced firms are surprised by how long projects actually take—and that data is critical for pricing. 10. Business first, always. You can care deeply about your team—but not at the expense of the health of your business. Notable Quotes “Hiring someone does not automatically fix the overwhelm.” “Sometimes you don’t actually need the role you think you need.” “Smaller does not mean less profitable.” “People don’t follow managers. They follow leaders.” “Find your zone of genius—and build around it.” “Nobody will care about your business as much as you do.” Practical Next Steps If you’re wondering whether it’s time to hire: List out everything you want off your plate Identify patterns (admin vs. design vs. operations) Decide what actually drives revenue Run the numbers before hiring Consider outsourcing before committing to full-time Final Advice from the Panel Erika Bonnell - Erika Bonnell Interiors&amp;nbsp;https://erikabonnell.com/ Hire to free up revenue-generating time—and let go quickly if it’s not workingt Melissa Lee - New South Home Interiors&amp;nbsp;https://www.newsouthhome.com/ Align hires with your long-term vision and strengths Ruth Ann - The Dove Agency https://www.thedoveagency.com/: Scope the role clearly and track profitability from day one Closing Thought There is no one “right” way to build a team. The best business model is the one that supports your goals, your lifestyle, and your definition of success. Designed for the Creative Mind™ https://thedesignbakehouse.com/designed-for-the-creative-mind-pod <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/40931915/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/5a3e36/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/content/200964150