1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Oracle Richard and Threadkeeper Sarah sit down for a deeply personal conversation about growing up in two very different Christian traditions… Sarah in a culturally and religiously Catholic world on the East Coast, and Richard in a homeschooled evangelical Pentecostal environment that functioned almost like a complete social bubble. What unfolds is a thoughtful, funny, and at times heavy reflection on what it means to be shaped by religion long before you ever choose it for yourself. They talk about the stark differences between Catholicism and Protestant evangelicalism… from authority, prayer, and iconography to gender roles, shame, social control, and what it meant to live inside traditions that often looked similar from the outside but felt entirely different on the inside. They also explore how deconstruction happened long before either of them found entheogens… and how psychedelic experiences did not pull them back into old dogma so much as help them recognize deeper truths about themselves, suffering, divinity, and healing. Along the way, they reflect on what religion gave them, what it took from them, and what pieces still remain worth carrying forward. This is a conversation about religious trauma, longing, symbolism, community, and the difference between inherited belief and chosen practice. It is also a reminder that two people can come from “Christian” backgrounds and still feel like they were raised in entirely different worlds. &amp;nbsp; Timeline 00:01 – Welcome and setup Oracle Richard and Threadkeeper Sarah introduce the conversation and the contrast between their Christian upbringings. 00:35 – Catholic vs. Pentecostal worlds Sarah describes growing up in a deeply Catholic New Jersey culture, while Richard reflects on his evangelical Pentecostal upbringing and homeschooling. 02:51 – Deconstruction before psychedelics Both share how questioning faith began long before entheogens entered the picture. 04:43 – Searching for faith vs. searching for peace Sarah talks about studying religion formally while trying to understand why faith never came naturally to her. 06:00 – Early psychedelic experiences and old faith Richard reflects on how prior deconstruction shaped his first mushroom experiences. 08:00 – Religious imagery in revelry Sarah shares a powerful mushroom experience that brought up the phrase “child of God,” and how she continues to interpret it. 12:21 – Fear, danger, and stepping outside religion Both discuss the fear built into their traditions… and what it meant to question or leave them. 15:00 – Mental health and prayer culture A look at how anxiety, depression, and suffering were often answered with “pray more” instead of real support. 19:53 – Direct prayer vs. mediated prayer A striking contrast between evangelical personal relationship with God and Catholic priest-mediated access to scripture and meaning. 23:16 – Favorite religious holidays growing up Richard and Sarah compare Easter traditions, symbolism, and the emotional weight of ritual and pageantry. 29:23 – Female imagery and Mary Sarah reflects on how Mary gave her an early feminine point of spiritual contact… and later became a source of tension too. 35:34 – What they still carry forward Richard shares the principle of “eat the meat, spit out the bones.” Sarah reflects on service, action, and the value of faith in motion. 38:23 – Closing reflections A final appreciation for the conversation, the learning, and the chance to revisit old foundations with honesty. &amp;nbsp; Key Themes Catholic and evangelical Pentecostal upbringings are not interchangeable Deconstruction can begin long before psychedelics Religious trauma often hides under duty, shame, and obedience Psychedelic experiences do not always reinforce inherited religion Prayer, faith, and service can be redefined outside old systems Symbolism can remain meaningful even after belief changes Community matters… especially after leaving rigid traditions &amp;nbsp; Contact Us To learn more about the Colorado Psychedelic Church, upcoming gatherings, sermons, ceremonies, and community events, visit: ColoradoPsychedelicChurch.com You can also use the website to reach out directly, ask questions, and find ways to connect with the community. Colorado Psychedelic Church Podcast https://sites.libsyn.com/608735 <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/40913895/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/40913895