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The Cartag Story: Safe Enough to Stay
What does it look like to go from agoraphobia… panic attacks… and years inside the mental health system… …to finding a place where you feel safe enough to stay? In this conversation, Oracle Richard sits down with community member Cartag, whose journey into the Colorado Psychedelic Church began not with curiosity… …but necessity. After years of struggling with treatment-resistant depression, anxiety, and what he later recognized as autistic burnout, Cartag reached a point where something had to change. Traditional approaches weren’t working. Progress had stalled. So he searched. What he found was a community — not built on dogma or pressure — but on acceptance, accessibility, and shared healing. Cartag shares what it was like to walk through the doors for the first time… physically shaking from anxiety… unsure of what he had just stepped into. And what happened next changed everything. From a powerful first DMT experience where he connected with his younger self… to slowly learning he didn’t need to stay in a constant state of defense… …to something as simple — and profound — as realizing: he didn’t need to keep his shoes by the door anymore. This conversation isn’t just about psychedelics. It’s about: feeling safe in your own body finding people who meet you where you are and rediscovering what “community” actually means Even for someone who never thought they’d be part of a “church.”   ⏱ Timeline of Topics 00:01 – Introduction Richard introduces Cartag and sets the stage 00:30 – Leaving Kansas & Starting Over Loss, job changes, and moving to Colorado 01:30 – Career & Mental Health Journey Call center problem-solving → peer support specialist Autistic burnout and repeated breakdowns 02:30 – Being Replaced by AI Career disruption and transition into new paths 03:30 – Childhood & Neurodivergence Small-town upbringing Pressure, masking, and early struggles 04:40 – Agoraphobia & Isolation Difficulty leaving home and engaging socially 05:30 – Discovering the Church Interest in psychedelics for depression Finding the church through Google 07:00 – First Visit (Pre-Ceremony) Severe anxiety… but immediate sense of safety 08:00 – First DMT Experience Conversation with “Child Self” Letting go of lifelong defense mechanisms 09:00 – Breaking Assumptions From “this might be a cult” → genuine community 10:20 – Accessibility & Inclusion Neurodivergent-friendly spiritual text Small details… big impact 11:50 – Beginning a Relationship with Psychedelics Scientific curiosity + reverence Microdosing vs traditional medications 13:30 – Rapid Growth (In 9 Months) From panic and stimming… to confidence and presence 15:20 – What Makes This Community Different Intentional acceptance Community for its own sake — not utility 17:00 – Redefining “Church” Atheism + spirituality Finding meaning without dogma 18:40 – Defining “Divinity” Personally Star Trek/Data analogy Personhood as sacredness 19:50 – Practical Integration Prayer as action Directing energy into meaningful change 21:40 – A Defining Moment Feeling safe enough to have a panic attack… and stay 23:30 – Growth Indicators No fidget toys… shoes away from the door Less need for escape strategies 24:00 – Open Reflections Geek identity, belonging, and shared curiosity 25:00 – Message to Listeners “If you’re on the fence… just come.” 26:00 – Finding Your Place Not every event is for everyone — and that’s okay 27:00 – Closing Reflections Growth, future potential, and gratitude ⛪ About the Church The Colorado Psychedelic Church is a community focused on healing, growth, and connection through: Psychedelic-assisted self-exploration Open, judgment-free discussion Peer support and shared experience What stands out: Deep emphasis on accessibility (including neurodivergent-friendly materials) No pressure to participate in sacrament Pluralistic environment — atheists, spiritual seekers, and everyone in between Real-world integration — applying insights to everyday life   At its core, this is a place where people don’t just come to experience something… They come to change… and be supported while doing it.   📬 Contact & Community Info Interested in checking it out for yourself?   🌐 Website: coloradopsychedelicchurch.com 📍 Location: Colorado Springs, CO (shared after connecting) 📅 Weekly Gathering: Tuesday evenings 🎟 Additional Events: 20+ monthly gatherings (classes, socials, discussions) If you’re unsure… you don’t have to jump in.   Come sit. Come observe. Come meet people.   That’s where most people start.
Colorado Psychedelic Church Podcast
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