1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 n the second half, I talk with Pat about how his career evolved into building and leading outside of sports, and why he was able to impact so many different rooms without changing who he was. We dig into what development work really is and why raising major gifts is a competitive space that demands emotional control, resilience, and a deep understanding of people. Pat explains how learning the donor mindset, handling rejection, and finding someone’s “why” became a training ground that translated into everything he did next. From there we shift into the work he is doing now in mental health, which is where the conversation gets real. Pat shares how COVID changed his perspective and pushed him to stop waiting and fully commit to his purpose as a therapist. We talk about stigma, the positives and negatives of how mental health is trending, and why men and boys seeking help is a major step forward. We also connect mental wellness directly to sports performance and longevity, and we reflect on the warning signs we missed with people we cared about. Pat closes by sharing where he wants to go next, including work in prevention, recovery, and supporting college athletes through high pressure decisions, along with a glimpse into the music and mindset that keeps him grounded. Thanks to our podcast sponsors, Sorinex and EliteForm, for making these episodes possible. Be Legendary Podcast http://sorinex.com <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/40682510/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/cc0000/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/40682510