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  <title>Illumination Zone: Episode 227 | Michael Cammack and Stephanie Wienke of HaystackID sit down with Mary Mack and Holley Robinson</title>
  <description>Michael Cammack, Deputy Information Security Officer, and Stephanie Wienke, Security Specialist for EDRM Trusted Partner HaystackID, sit down with Mary Mack and Holley Robinson. In this episode, Michael and Stephanie recount their journeys to cyber and eDiscovery as well as their University of Wisconsin alumni relationship. The two share insights into the unique challenges of bringing an entire organization into an AI governance framework, covering topics from the highly technical to the entirely human. They introduce the concept of governance debt as new, exciting systems come online. With the field moving rapidly and a desire to stay compliant with the multiple security certifications HaystackID has earned, this duo shares their rich experience and tips for getting value from AI without compromising security, and the conversation concluded with a fun fact from each. </description>
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