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  <title>On Birds and Grief and Hope -- Courtney Ellis</title>
  <description>Courtney Ellis—author, pastor, and podcaster—joins Mandy at the pub table to discuss all things feathered (including hope) and how God speaks to our hearts through the wonder and beauty of His creation. (Find Courtney's books and podcast: courtneybellis.com) </description>
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