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  <title>Practices of Depth and Soul and Why They Matter: A Conversation With Carl Rabke and Erin Geesaman Rabke</title>
  <description>Practices of Depth and Soul and Why They Matter: A Conversation with Erin Geesaman Rabke and Carl Rabke Greetings, listener friends! We are delighted to share this conversation,&amp;amp;nbsp;the second&amp;amp;nbsp;in a series of three podcasts we're releasing during January 2026. The first is on practices of presence. The second, (this conversation) is on&amp;amp;nbsp;practices of depth and soul. The third will be on&amp;amp;nbsp;practices of reconnection and remembrance. We explore in each epsiode what these are&amp;amp;nbsp;and why they matter. These three realms of practice are woven through the foundation of our upcoming 13-month depth&amp;amp;nbsp;training, Refugia, which begins in early February, 2026.&amp;amp;nbsp; What are practices of depth and soul? Why do they matter?&amp;amp;nbsp; We begin with a line from Michael Meade: “Slow and down are the primary&amp;amp;nbsp;movements of soul.”&amp;amp;nbsp; Erin shares a beautiful quote from Francis Weller pointing toward a mythopoetic definition of soul.&amp;amp;nbsp; We explore honoring depth and soul in a culture that tends toward the spiritual and the transcendent. We touch on&amp;amp;nbsp;many practices of depth and soul and why they matter, including &amp;amp;nbsp;  growing an apprenticeship with sorrow, embodying one’s unique genius or soul medicine, what it means to grow one's&amp;amp;nbsp;adult presence, the importance of the imagination and the imaginal, how to be in relationship with our wounds and sacred limps.&amp;amp;nbsp;  &amp;amp;nbsp; We honor&amp;amp;nbsp;those from whom we have learned about soul, including&amp;amp;nbsp;Michael Meade, Clarissa Pinkola Estes, Rosemerry Wahtola Trommer, Jaiya John, Francis Weller, Maya Angelou, James Hillman, and so many more.&amp;amp;nbsp; We hope you enjoy this dive into depth and soul as much as we did.&amp;amp;nbsp; To learn more about Refugia, visit embodimentmatters.com/refugia “Soul rebellion precedes social rebellion, which is why the first and last revolution work occurs in the soul. In the soul.” –&amp;amp;nbsp;Jaiya John </description>
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