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  <title>Security Without Exclusivity – Why Countries Choose to Cooperate with Both the U.S. and China</title>
  <description>As tensions continue to mount in the U.S.-China relationship, the traditional understanding of international security, with many countries choosing between U.S.-led security and China-led economic growth, is increasingly outdated. Instead,&amp;amp;nbsp;a new dynamic has emerged, where many countries now seek security cooperation with&amp;amp;nbsp;both&amp;amp;nbsp;the United States and China at the same time.&amp;amp;nbsp; In an interview conducted on July 24, 2025,&amp;amp;nbsp;Sheena Greitens&amp;amp;nbsp;and&amp;amp;nbsp;Isaac Kardon&amp;amp;nbsp;joined&amp;amp;nbsp;Phillip C. Saunders&amp;amp;nbsp;to discuss the&amp;amp;nbsp;rising phenomenon of third countries’ “security hybridization” and the implications for the U.S.-China relationship.&amp;amp;nbsp; About this program </description>
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