1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 🔵 Join Matthew on a MARIAN Shrines PILGRIMAGE to Fatima, Lourdes, and more in 2026: https://www.206tours.com/cms/sos/marianshrines/ 🟡 Watch Course 1 of the Science of Sainthood: INTRODUCTION TO REAL PRAYER for FREE: https://www.scienceofsainthood.com 🟠 SUPPORT this podcast and Matthew's work to spread the Catholic faith: https://www.scienceofsainthood.com/donate It's a simple, yet profound question. Is God a person or an idea to you? Seriously, take a moment and think about it.&amp;nbsp; Do you really see him as a person or is he some kind of ethereal idea floating up in the heavens? For a lot of us - if we're being honest with ourselves - tend to think of him in non-personal terms.&amp;nbsp; He's this force or idea up above.&amp;nbsp; Yes, we talk to him on occasion. We ask him for things. We even praise him and receive him in the Eucharist. But do we know him as a person? And if not, how can we do that? How can we develop a truly personal, transformative relationship with the Lord? Well, who better than to ask than a former hermit about how to truly commune with God? Fr. Wayne Sattler - a former hermit and spiritual director for his entire diocese - is going to help us deepen our relationship with Christ on this powerful episode of the Art of Catholic podcast. You do NOT want to miss it. Taking a deep dive into the subject of his new book, Remain in Me and I in You, my wide-ranging conversation with Father Sattler includes:&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; How&amp;nbsp;to know God as a person, not just an idea What really happens in contemplative prayer&amp;nbsp; The crucial difference between&amp;nbsp;agape&amp;nbsp;love and&amp;nbsp;eros Why some people never attain higher prayer What Christ really meant when he said, &quot;Follow me&quot; The fundamental requirement for truly serving God And much more!&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; The Art of Catholic with Matthew Leonard https://matthewsleonard.com <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/38757330/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/fb8c00/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/38757330