1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 🎙️ Business Transformation Podcast – Episode #43 People Science Over Process: The No-Nonsense Truth About Change Management with Ron Leeman 🔔 Don’t forget to Like, Subscribe, and Hit the Bell so you never miss an episode! 👇 LISTEN TO THIS if you’re in change, transformation, or leadership! 👇 In this no-BS, high-value episode, Heath Gascoigne sits down with Ron Leeman — the legendary change manager with 40+ years of global experience — to unpack the myths, truths, and overlooked realities of driving transformation that sticks. From the fallacy of the “70% failure rate” to why “people science” is the future of change, this conversation is jam-packed with war stories, practical wisdom, and takeaways every transformation leader needs to hear. 🧠 What You’ll Learn in This Episode: 00:00 - Intro: Who is Ron Leeman? 03:00 - Surviving Ponzi schemes, transformation war stories, and global experience 10:00 - Why industry-specific experience in change is overrated 18:00 - The rise of AI in change management – and the risks of blind adoption 23:00 - People Science vs. People Side: The evolution of change thinking 31:00 - Sponsors, vision, and why your business case is NOT a one-off document 42:00 - Measuring success: Ron’s take on balanced business scorecards 50:00 - Transformation vs. Change – are we just relabeling? 58:00 - Final advice: What Ron would do differently (so you don’t have to) 💡 Whether you’re a consultant, change lead, C-suite exec, or just getting started, this is your shortcut to decades of lived experience. &amp;nbsp; 📣 About Ron Leeman: Ron is an award-winning global change expert, speaker, trainer, and founder of The Highway of Change. Based in Thailand, he’s delivered change programs across Europe, Asia, and the US in over 25 industries — from government and pharmaceuticals to construction and banking. 🌐 Connect with Ron: 🔗 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ronleeman/ 📚 Website: https://www.thehighwayofchange.com 🎧 Listen to the full podcast on: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Google Podcasts | Amazon Music &amp;nbsp; 🔥 Let’s connect! 🔗 Follow HOBA TECH: https://www.linkedin.com/company/hoba-tech 🌍 Visit: https://www.hoba.tech 📩 Join the waitlist for our AI for Business Transformation Consultants course: https://www.hoba.tech/ai-for-consultants &amp;nbsp; #ChangeManagement #BusinessTransformation #PeopleScience #RonLeeman #HOBATech #DigitalTransformation #TransformationLeadership #OrganizationalChange #AIinChange #ChangeLeadership #TransformationPodcast #ChangeConsulting #LeadershipTips #CulturalChange #FutureOfWork #ConsultingInsights The Business Transformation Podcast https://hoba.tech/podcast/ <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/37277885/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/content/190393670