1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Tim O'Brien, co-designer of Gudnak, sits down with Zach for a far-reaching discussion that offers a behind-the-scenes look into Chaotic Great's journey as a new indie card game publisher. At the heart of the discussion is the inevitable question for this new round of &quot;LCGs&quot; - what has to change for this format to truly succeed? &amp;nbsp; Check out the second Gudnak Kickstarter campaign to see potential answers to that question: https://cov.link/gudnak-ks The Covenant Cast http://teamcovenant.com <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/35741390/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/35741390