1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 David Phelps is the co-founder and CEO of jokerace and a prolific writer. He joins the podcast to discuss: &amp;nbsp;Why tokens are not optimal for effective governance &amp;nbsp;Alternative ways to incentivize users and distribute decision making power &amp;nbsp;How we solve for retaining users versus just attracting them &amp;nbsp;Composability and evolving from user generated content to user generated apps On The Brink with Castle Island https://castleisland.libsyn.com/website <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/28192517/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/2f3976/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/28192517