1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Crystalee, the creator of the Mama Ladder, is on the show today sharing her four birth stories! Crystalee said: “It took me four tries to get that natural, unmedicated birth I wanted from the start.” She compares epidural VBACs to med-free VBACs. She has a lot of insight! Topics covered in the show today: Frank breech C-section 18 Months between C-section and VBAC Third degree tear Doesn’t feel contractions until in active labor Pregnancy during the pandemic What she learned from her C-section Links mentioned: Mama Natural Birth Course The Mama Ladder Connect with Crystalee on Instagram here! Join the VBAC Babes newsletter here! Follow VBAC Babes on Instagram Grab your VBAC Mama shirt here! VBAC Babes http://thestrollermom.com <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/24038733/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/24038733