1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Ben Towle and Dan Berry chat about teaching, working with reference, finding shortcuts and loosening up. Ben's new book Four-Fisted Tales: Animals in Combat is out now. Consider supporting this show on Patreon for as little as a dollar an episode!&amp;nbsp; You can get Dan to work with you and help out on your project too!&amp;nbsp; Make It Then Tell Everybody http://makeitthentelleverybody.com <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/19832615/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/content/107462384