1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Claudia Cragg @claudiacragg (comments, suggestions, ratings welcome) speaks here with George Packer staff writer at The Atlantic. He is the author of&amp;nbsp;Last Best Hope: America in Crisis and Renewal,&amp;nbsp;Our Man: Richard Holbrooke and the End of the American Century,&amp;nbsp;The Unwinding: An Inner History of the New America,&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;The Assassins’ Gate: America in Iraq. Americas, says Packer, is&quot;...trapped in two countries. Each one is split by two narratives—Smart and Just on one side, Free and Real on the other. Neither separation nor conquest is a tenable future. The tensions within each country will persist even as the cold civil war between them rages on. ChatChat - Claudia Cragg http://ccragg123.libsyn.com <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/19758941/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/content/107038961