1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 In this episode of Margins, Mary Ellen Slayter and Elena Valentine spoke with Stetson University professor Sven Smith (03:43), Fordham University professor Paul Levinson (10:44) and human rights activist Ben O'Keefe (15:06) on the forces that drive how we organize ourselves as societies and why they can be so difficult to change. Learn more about Margins from Managing Editor: http://www.managingeditor.com/podcast Subscribe to our Friday morning email: http://www.managingeditor.com/subscribe Margins from Managing Editor Magazine https://managingeditor.com/margins-podcast/ <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/19575830/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/content/199476870