1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Philip sat down with Gabe in August 2020. Gabe started his company Mākusafe four years ago. They talk about the journey of growing a startup to twenty employees. As the episode starts Gabe talks about his experience producing a podcast where he interviewed successful business owners. The mics didn’t catch the whole conversation but we included what we had. &amp;nbsp; Check out https://makusafe.com Everyday People with Philip Clemons http://everydaypeoplepc.libsyn.com/website <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/16120865/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/16120865