1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Kathy Jones has had decades of experience with community consultation and stakeholder engagement. She is currently a director of The newDemocracy Foundation (as is the interviewer). This conversation covers the thrill of facilitation at the micro-level and its specialist nature, including the distinction between stakeholder engagement and deliberative democracy. Kathy also looks toward systemic change when she imagines possibilities at the macro level. Post-COVID, she speculates that there is a real opportunity right now to build a greater understanding and appreciation of civic responsibility. &amp;nbsp; LINKS KJA – the firm that Kathy founded&amp;nbsp; John Gastil &amp;amp; Erik Olin Wright (2019) Legislature by Lot. Transformative Designs for Deliberative Governance&amp;nbsp; Geelong case study&amp;nbsp; &amp;nbsp; Music acknowledgement. Facilitating Public Deliberations http://facilitatingpublicdeliberations.libsyn.com/website <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/15021044/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/15021044