1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Vernon Pitout is an entrepreneur and business coach who has been a friend of Steve &amp;amp; Tammy for many years. On today's episode they reminisce on their spiritual journeys, discuss the pros and cons of leaders with a vision, and explore some of the challenges the church faces in the 21st century. Go Beyond the Pale with Vernon Pitout! Episode Index: 1:30- (Intro) Steve &amp;amp; Tammy reminisce over the church they started 25 years ago as well as how to deal with the crazy of a polarised world.

21:24- Conversation with Vernon begins 24:48- Doing Good in Church but questions arise 35:38- Thoughts on Worship 43:16- God deals with everyone individually 50:53- Understanding real Freedom 1:04:04- The Pros and Cons of Visionary Leadership &amp;nbsp; Beyond The Pale http://www.stevehackman.net <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/14805671/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/14805671