1 rich Libsyn https://www.libsyn.com 90 600 Jared Janes&amp;nbsp;and&amp;nbsp;Jason Snyder talk with Nathan Spears about his journey from religion to atheism and back again, Orthodox Christianity, modernizing religion, Vervaeke's four ways of knowing, the value of Christian language &amp;amp; story, bridging phenomenology &amp;amp; epistemology, the dynamics of belief, attention &amp;amp; intention, perennial philosophy, the body of Christ, and much more. In this Episode of&amp;nbsp;Both/And Nathan on Twitter Cognitive Science &amp;amp; the Sacred with Vervaeke &amp;amp; Pageau God &amp;amp; Relevance Realization with Vervaeke &amp;amp; Pageau Dominion by Tom Holland #15 Being a Baha'i Creative with Samah Tokmachi The Cloud of Unknowing The Mind Illuminated by John Yates Enneagram of Personality Hammering Hot Iron by Charles Upton People Mentioned: David Chapman, John Vervaeke, Daniel Thorson, Collin Morris, Jordan Hall, Guy Sengstock, Jonathan Pageau, Shinzen Young, David Bentley Hart Support Both/And by&amp;nbsp;becoming a patron&amp;nbsp;&amp;amp;/or&amp;nbsp;subscribing &amp;amp; reviewing us on iTunes &amp;nbsp; Jared Janes participates in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn commissions by linking to Amazon. In more human terms, this means that whenever you buy a book on Amazon from a link on here, a small percentage of its price is sent to us. Both/And http://www.bothand.info <iframe title="Libsyn Player" style="border: none" src="//html5-player.libsyn.com/embed/episode/id/13517321/height/90/theme/custom/thumbnail/yes/direction/forward/render-playlist/no/custom-color/88AA3C/" height="90" width="600" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen webkitallowfullscreen mozallowfullscreen oallowfullscreen msallowfullscreen></iframe> https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/item/13517321